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FROM:       Demetra George,     on Jul 4, 1999
The OM Circle

      A flower-child of my generation sown in the land near Woodstock, I hearkened to the call to go West in the winter of 1970, and found the promised land in Southern Oregon. The Sunnyridge Mining Claim, nestled on a ridge that poked above the fog line in the Siskyou Mountains and through which gurgled Blind Sam Creek, became home, at times, of close to 100 young people fleeing the excessive materiality of their middle-class upbringings. Kindred souls found one another and together we created a lifestyle of voluntary simplicity, one of harmony with the natural rhythms of the earth.

      We built cabins from salvaged materials and planted a luxurious garden whose abundance never failed to nourish us. We gave birth to many babies, and the sound of children laughing and crying was the background to the endless activities necessary for survival in a world without electricity or running water. Everyday the men and some women went on woodruns to bring back fuel to keep the many fires stoked. Everyday the women and some men prepared three meals a day on the huge cast iron cookstove for from anywhere between thirty-five to one hundred people, depending on the season and year. We baked bread daily in batches of fifteen loaves, beginning with grinding the wheat berries by hand with a stone mill. Wood was chopped and cords stacked, dishes washed, gardens planted, weeded, watered, and harvested, clothing sewn and mended, tubs of water heated for laundry and endless diapers scrubbed by hand, chain saws and the Yellow Beast truck maintained, children tended, buildings constructed and restructured.

      But the centerpoint of the day, the moment when everyone came together as one and celebrated the communion of the commune was the OM Circle that we held every evening right before dinner. Having rejected most of the rituals from the culture we had left behind and looking for others which we could make our own, the OM Circle became the focal point of our spiritual expression. To the extent that the model of rites of passage that Turner outlined describes the pattern inherent in ritualized events that facilitate "transitions from one situation to another and from one cosmic or social world to another," the Sunnyridge OM Circle functioned in this way as it put us into daily contact with the divine energies that sustained and renewed us.

      It began with the first ringing of the triangular iron bell that hung suspended from the porch of the Old Kitchen. About twenty minutes before dinner was ready, someone from the kitchen crew (or one of the children scampering about) struck the bell three times. In this preliminal stage of separation, the sound of the first dinner bell signaled the cessation of ordinary activities. We stopped watering the garden, working on projects and chores, or engaging in relaxed conversations or heated disagreements. It was time to round up kids, wash hands, and perhaps change or don clothing appropriate for the evening--long sleeves for mosquito buzzing summer nights or an extra sweater and poncho for cool rainy winter nights. The second bell toned the call to gather.

      Coming out of the woods from many directions, the members of our communal family streamed into the dining area, indoors or outdoors according to the weather and season. We chose places around the circle, depending upon whom we wanted to sit next to that night and chatted away until it appeared that everyone had arrived. As one person held out his or her hand to those on either side, other hands were then clasped in unison around the circle. A hushed silence fell upon us, as talking suddenly ceased, often in mid-sentence, and even the babies stopped crying. The circle of clasped hands represented the sacred action that ushered us into the second stage, the liminal phase of the rite.

      We would breathe together as one being for a while and then, lifting up our voices, we would intone the sacred sound of OM, the mother seed syllable of the Sanskrit alphabet. It wasn't as if, as a group, we followed any particular dogma or creed; certainly there was no identification with being Hindus. If anything, we repudiated any form of institutionalized religion or hierarchical structures. Yet, in the sound of the OM, we recognized a universal timeless vibration that, as spiritual seekers, we felt connected us with the soul of the cosmos and with one another.

      Sometimes the OM was short, about three minutes long; other times we might carry the tone for up to fifteen minutes. There were no rules concerning the length of time, but the energy itself seemed to have a life span of its own, and it was apparent to everyone when the evening invocation was complete. The ludic recombination took the shape of the mixture and harmonizing of our different voices. Peter often carried the deep baritones, and the soprano voices reverberated the melodious strains. Philip might insert the longer variation of OM MANI PADME HUNG into the communal hum, and it was not unusual for one of the children to burst into an uncontrollable fit of laughter infecting the other kids with giggles as well. A hungry toddler, impatient for dinner, might start screeching, but we embraced all the spontaneous expressions

      In the liminal space of the sounding of the OM, we stepped out of ordinary reality for a little while each day, and experienced a trance-like state of mystical union, a sense of at-one-ness with ourselves, with each other, and with the divine. After the last strains of the OM gradually faded away, we remained in the silence for a few more minutes. Eyes opened and smiled across the circle in acknowledgment that we had once again touched something sacred and nourished our souls. Emerging from the limen, soon the clatter of dishes and utensils would signal the onset of nourishing our bodies, and the joyful chaos of dishing out dinner to thirty, fifty, seventy or more people once again began.

      Last night I made a few calls, asking some old Sunnyridgers what function the OM Circle served for them. Jimmy said that it was a way to center ourselves and to bring the day to a peaceful conclusion before dinner. Peter concurred that it was a moment to collect ourselves and calm everyone down. Barbara added that it made us feel more like a family, and by uniting our energy we raised ourselves to a higher level. Aaron observed that amidst the many changes over the seven years that the Sunnyridge Commune existed in physical form, it was the only constant point of reference. No matter what else was happening, we never failed to OM before dinner. It unified us, smoothing over the many conflicts that inevitably arise when so many people live so closely together. Elizabeth reminisced that it heightened our sense of relatedness to and awareness of each other, a deep mystical experience that had nothing to do with chopping wood or baking bread.

      The Sunnyridge experiment was a conscious attempt to liberate ourselves from a set of cultural values to which we could not relate and to create a new way of living that was an embodiment of our youthful idealism. The OM Circle served as a daily source of spiritual renewal, deepening our commitment to each other and giving us the fortitude and courage to follow our collective vision. While the commune itself no longer exists on the physical plane, the sense of being a family continues to be vibrant and active. Whenever various members gather for a holiday or a wedding or reunion, we circle around the dinner table, clasp hands, and sound the sacred OM, reaffirming a bond that only grows stronger with the passing of time.


FROM:       jim,     on Aug 26, 1999
ted...i remember the christian bench, i watched you paint the letters.....
FROM:       Ted,     on Oct 28, 1999
So, do you think we were liberal or conservative. Don't rush to an opinion.
FROM:       jim,     on Dec 2, 1999
sunny ridge i don't know....me, a conservative liberal all my life
FROM:       michelle,     on Dec 29, 1999
giggle giggle giggle
FROM:       michelle,     on Jan 3, 2000
and our strange trip continues. . .
FROM:       michelle,     on Jan 3, 2000
i was a visitor. i arrived in 1968 with my dad and sister rachel. i was three. went back and forth and here and there. jerome, arizona and sycamore canyon . . . until the year clem died and then i went all the way back to manhatten and then to my grandma snow's in bethesda maryland. . . i was seven when i left sunnyridge.
FROM:       michelle,     on Jan 24, 2000
actually, it was january of 1969. and january 22, of what year? clem died. jacob's birthday is the 27th and clem's is the 27th. also the day we burried him.
FROM:       michelle,     on Jan 24, 2000
i mean the 28th!!! it was his birthday!! we burried him on his birthday.
FROM:       michelle,     on Jan 28, 2000
happy birthday, clem.
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FROM:       ,     on Mar 30, 2000
we had a fantastic librairy, we could access all ideas from the most logical mechanics to it's intuitive opposite..we covered all religions and methods available....ufos included....the focus being our dinners...om with us....don't forget to save a portion for....?
FROM:       Stew,     on Mar 31, 2000
Joel (pre-saved) put a pic of Jesus up in the outhouse (of all places) and Beanie tore it down and put up a sign that read, "Don't lay trips" (!!)
FROM:       SIG,     on Mar 31, 2000
As I recall, Clem died on 1/22/71 and was buried on his birthday, 1/27. Jacob's birthday and party followed, the next day. (Jacob, when is your birthday?)
FROM:       byron,     on Apr 12, 2000
jesus said you must be reborn of the spirit to enter the kingdom of heaven. his way is so much different than all other religions. love god and love your neighbor, he said sums up the law of the prophets
FROM:       SIG,     on May 11, 2000
Right on, Byron. I think Sunnyridge had some real problems with Jesus; we definitely leaned toward the Eastern way (see outhouse comment above, also pic of Buddha). In all fairness, though, there was a cross on the garden fence, and Teddy's "Be still" bench (Old Testament), and a few Sunnyridgers did eventually come to Christ, and some still follow Him, including myself. I think we (naturally) had our pre-programmed biases, but our minds never seemed to be able to stay closed to anything for very long. Sunnyridgers -- is that still true? Hope so...
FROM:       michelle,     on May 21, 2000
hello
FROM:       Peter,     on May 23, 2000
I actually thought that most of the people there were jEWISH !!!
FROM:       SIG,     on May 25, 2000
True, Peter -- but if they were practicing Jews, they sure hadn't come very far in expertise!....
FROM:       jim,     on Jun 4, 2000
....some of us went beyond religions....toward an organic morality, the cosmic eye...compassionate
FROM:       jim,     on Jun 4, 2000
all the sages have shown the same path...there are many styles...
FROM:       jim,     on Jun 4, 2000
who's this guy byron...another hacker ?
FROM:       dara,     on Jun 11, 2000
I dream of living with such a family.
FROM:       Will S.,     on Jun 12, 2000
"What dreams may come when we have shuffled off this mortal coil must give us pause....."
FROM:       Teddy,     on Jan 3, 2001
test
FROM:       Teddy,     on Jan 4, 2001
I just found out that "OM" is the word emanating from the underlord, not the supreme. We were singing to the devil...OMG!!!!
FROM:       SIG,     on Jan 4, 2001
How come I'm not surprised?
FROM:       Webster,     on Jan 4, 2001
If you want to sing to the Supreme, try, "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come."
FROM:       jim,     on Jan 4, 2001
..hey webster, you predict the future..that's a plus......
FROM:       SIG,     on Jan 5, 2001
Been thinking about....Perhaps we are Sunnyridge Worshippers. It would make sense to worship something we created--our own little universe, and us the gods. In reality, we would be worshipping ourselves. After that universe no longer exists, we still keep going back there, to remember what we made. What you think?
FROM:       jim,     on Jan 5, 2001
.....it would be nice to live together if we could, the worshiping part, i don't care for....of course computers is a must......
FROM:       Teddy,     on Jan 6, 2001
We worship where we're at.
FROM:       SIG,     on Jan 6, 2001
I don't get that one.....Teddy--Could we run computers off the waterwheel?
FROM:       jim,     on Jan 6, 2001
....my image of the computers being launched of the water wheel into blind sam..is not what i had in mind...
FROM:       jim,     on Jan 6, 2001
......this kind of talk belongs to the out house chat page....not occult nor philosophical
FROM:       Webster,     on Jan 6, 2001
Gee-We never seem to be on the right--or same--page....
FROM:       SIG,     on Jan 6, 2001
Teddy--We never really continued the discussion begun on Jan. 1...At the heart of the matter might be the idea of "self." To translate Jesus or any part of the Trinity into part of our self would be what Paul called "a different Gospel." It's a New Age concept, not a Scriptural one. It tries to incorporate everything into part of ourselves, and denies a separation between us and the Creator--putting us in the place of God again. (That's where our self always wants to be--in the Supreme driver's seat.)...As for the Trinity, They (He) are/is one--a concept we can't fully understand--but each has a different role. (This concept appears in Hindu belief, too.)...As for religion focussing on Jesus as man--Christianity by and large does not (scholars do). He is both fully human and fully Divine--another concept we can't possibly grasp. Since we have pea-brains, we must take these concepts on faith. As we walk the walk, the truth is evidenced in our lives. You believe BEFORE you see...
FROM:       Teddy,     on Jan 7, 2001
Didn't Jesus say we are all son's of God, that he is the first fruits, that our eye must be single?
FROM:       SIG,     on Jan 8, 2001
Certainly we are all God's children, as He created us all--but some are prodigal, and some have returned to the Father....
FROM:       SIG,     on Jan 8, 2001
Today's sermon was, in part, about people who are hostile to the Gospel. At one point, the preacher (a guest speaker) said that his hostility comes, in part, from the fact that the Gospel "cuts across people's belief systems." That sure rang a bell... A quote I like says that people don't dislike the Bible because they don't agree with it, but because IT doesn't agree with THEM....
FROM:       SIG,     on Jan 8, 2001
Sorry--Not "his hostility," but "this hostility".....
FROM:       Teddy,     on Jan 8, 2001
You know...all this pride sucks. None of us knows anything.
FROM:       SIG,     on Jan 8, 2001
Well, we sure Sound like we know something....
FROM:       jim,     on Jan 14, 2001
........each being is to itself the absolute way, the truth, and the life.....
FROM:       jim,     on Jan 18, 2001
looks like i got the last word
FROM:       Teddy,     on Jan 21, 2001
guess we can't keep religion confined to this page...The soul has a mind of it's own...or no mind...

now I have the last word...


FROM:       O'Reilly,     on Jan 21, 2001
Oh, ree-hee-hee-ly?
FROM:       Jesus,     on Jan 21, 2001
I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
FROM:       jim,     on Jan 21, 2001
good for you......and i am the begining and the end.....for me that is !
FROM:       Aman,     on Jan 22, 2001
Yeah, we all think we're in control--until the earthquake hits...
FROM:       michelle,     on Jan 22, 2001
i still say that it is our own self consciousness that gets in the way. . . everyone get comfortable cause it is going to be a bumpy ride!
FROM:       jim,     on Jan 22, 2001
there are people and then there are people....
FROM:       jim,     on Jan 22, 2001
and stew..........control what ?
FROM:       jim,     on Jan 22, 2001
..and the earth quake, how many times were you shook up and you're still here...of course the help from friends and your mind......
FROM:       Aman,     on Jan 22, 2001
Control of your beginning and end...control of when an earthquake starts and stops....etc...
FROM:       jim,     on Jan 23, 2001
there is no controling in that manner.....but typing these letter requires some knowledge and choices
FROM:       jim,     on Jan 23, 2001
ps...letter in this case has to be plural...ie letters
FROM:       Aman,     on Feb 1, 2001
You may be referring to predestination and free will. Room has to be left for both. To say that it's all free will, that we are the "master of my fate," implies full control. Predestination needs to be acknowledged--and with it, a master planner.
FROM:       jim,     on Feb 7, 2001
.......for me there's no full anything.....always space for surprises.....and guidances........
FROM:       Aman,     on Feb 7, 2001
Just did a word search on "full"--Here's the verse I was looking for.....John 16:24: Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
FROM:       Aman,     on Feb 7, 2001
Ted--True; the visible things we hold on to will all pass away. It's best to hold on to invisible things--like love. As for feeling alone in the Universe--that's a choice we make, no? We don't ever have to feel alone....
FROM:       ToAman,     on Mar 7, 2001
BULL SHIT !
FROM:       Teddy,     on Mar 18, 2001
GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF SUNNYRIDGE

Manifestation:
There was a belief that whatever we needed as a whole and/or for individuals would "manifest". Food and money would come to Sunnyridge. Individuals would walk up the driveway who fulfilled a certain other individual's need regarding karma (it takes two to tango).

No trips:
Signs, posters, and any religious, political, or worldly proselytizing seemed to be prohibited. Calendars, clocks and media did not exist. Newspapers and magazines seemed to be ok and served to both entertain the mind and substitute as toilet paper. Artwork abounded as it both expressed the individual’s inner life and freedom. The entire atmosphere promoted individual freedom and less emphasis on rigid social structure.

Children:
There was an unexpressed understanding that the children were some kind of blessing to the social consciousness. On one hand, the innocence, joy and freshness of youth blessed the overall ambiance and attitude of the adult interactions with the same playful and self-surrendering abandon. And, on the other hand, their presence checked and mollified what would undoubtedly have been a much more vicious and unacceptable acting out of mind games and karma. They gave us life and acted as our social “conscience”. Although they have expressed as adults that they were not prepared for the “real world” with a necessary worldly education, and that they suffered from exposure to rather unusual experiences, it is pretty obvious that these souls were supposed to be here and had the spiritual background to actively participate in the Sunnyridge experiment.

Changes:
The word “changes” seemed to indicate the unfoldment of consciousness that inevitably occurred in the atmosphere of Sunnyridge. Experience led to realization and revelation. Karma was the key means of experiencing “going through changes”. Sometimes this word was lovingly put foreword and sometimes it was totally mean-spirited.


FROM:       alice,     on Mar 18, 2001
the kids were great mirrors too...they would sometimes unconsciously imitate adult behavior, teaching us wonderful, if not always pleasant lessons about ourselves.

another frequent teacher were those moments of "instant karma"....an almost instanteous unpleasant thing following some not so nice behavior.... kind of a cosmic slap across the face waking you up to what you just did or said...


FROM:       jennyjump,     on Apr 7, 2001
i think one of the greatest challenges in life is to be able to live together...
FROM:       jennyjump,     on Apr 7, 2001
i think one of the greatest challenges in life is to be able to live together...
FROM:       teeree,     on May 9, 2001
I think that everyone is to set on worshipping some thing, i dont think that there is some "thing" that needs to be worshipped, i believe that each of us individually need to find out what it is that we need to praise or worship, it might not be the same for u as it is for me, but part of that individualism, comes acceptance, i accept that this is what i need to do, to feel connected to a higher power, and what ever you need to do, to feel at peace, i accept, to many people these days are trying to force people into believing what they believe, they want you to serve who they serve, but thats are choice, are freedom, and what belongs to us. We all have the power, to do what we want, and if to you thats believing in one thing or another, if youre happy than i will support and accept, and if your not, than find out what or who makes you happy. I think that to many people today are brought up being told this is the way to get to heaven, or this is the way to feel enlightend, but in the end, when all is said and done, if youre not happy, and content, than what has believing that your whole done for you?
FROM:       Aman,     on May 10, 2001
Teeree--What you express is surely popular: that each person must find their own individual truth. But that belief seems to say that there is no higher truth. That's Pontius Pilate"s line: "What is truth?" If we sincerely search for the highest truth, we may find that it lies outside of us, rather than within...And finding that truth may not necessarily make us happy; rather, it may set us on a road where we need to examine every aspect of our lives to see if we are in line with the truth. That's very hard, and often painful. It may not make us happy, but it will eventually bring us a deep and permanent joy--and unconditional love and compassion for others. It is that love and compassion that will cause us to try to share what we have found with everyone we come in contact with.
FROM:       Teddy,     on May 12, 2001
I disagree, Aman. Outside is duality and illusion. Inside is consciousness and truth.
FROM:       kiari ,     on May 25, 2001
everything is in the one and you are in your heart,dreaming all this argument about something beyond words.. om tat sat.....................................
FROM:       kiari ,     on May 25, 2001
everything is in the one and you are in your heart,dreaming all this argument about something beyond words.. om tat sat.....................................
FROM:       Aman,     on May 26, 2001
Again, the Eastern model. To say it's all a dream makes us the dreamer(s)--and makes us god(s), I guess. Of course, we are reluctant to see ourselves as disobedient children--leaves no room for pride, or godship. And if the truth can't be expressed in words, how do we see the Gospel?....Had the privilege of spending some time with lifelong Buddhists in Asia. Not only were they open-minded enough to want to hear the Gospel, more than a few embraced it with joy. They did not suffer from the American New Age anti-Jesus bias--as we do..... Try dreaming that Jesus really was God incarnate, look objectively at what he said, tell me what you think....
FROM:       Joel,     on May 30, 2001
The dictionary says that karma is (in Buddhism and Hinduism) "the sum of a person's actions in one of his successive existences thought to decide his fate for the next". It is amazing what one moment of faith can do to this law of karma. Think about the thief on the cross next to Jesus. He could see that he was no ordinary man and cried out to him, "remember me when you enter your kingdom". Jesus, in the midst of his suffering turned to him and said, "today you will be with me in Paradise." Now that is not karma but Grace. I'll take grace over karma any day.
FROM:       jim,     on Jun 3, 2001
......we know everything....limited only by our wakefulness......the voyage on this planet, is as good as the accommodations we asked for.......before and after......a budding rose......
FROM:       Rhonda,     on Jun 18, 2001
Alright man this is how I see it. No matter what religion you follow it all boils down to three major concepts. Love your brother as you love yourself, there is a divine entity, and an afterlife exists. The way I see it the rules to play it safe by are as follows. 1. Don't be a dick 2. Put a little faith in something, whatever you want to call it that is more powerful than you 3. Accept that something will probably happen to you soul when you die.
FROM:       Emily aka Emifry,     on Jun 19, 2001
I am very uncertain about both religion and philosophy. Although I have maintained some beliefs: 1)There is and will always be a higher power. To me that power remains ambiguous, and I am very ok with it. 2)Take care of yourself and those you encounter simply because the world will rotate a bit more smoothly that way. 3)Keep love in and around your heart, don't allow lifes troubles to destroy the love that lights your heart. 4)Enjoy right now all the time. This is why I am confused by religion. I just need to experience a better religion: As a child, I was raised in a Methodist church, leading a "normal" lifestyle, but the members who infuenced me the most betrayed our church and everything they had taught me. My minister ran away with my choir director. Each only took the youngest of their children, leaving a grieving spouse with two children a piece...wack huh?
FROM:       A Chela,     on Jun 23, 2001
Californians...stay tuned for a great invitation
FROM:       Ted,     on Jul 8, 2001
The path of light and sound is a journey in consciousness. "If your eye be 'sound', your whole body will be full of light". New York, California, who cares. YOU are the path. YOU are the Master of your creation. We are all so blessed with a loving father who not only gives us absolute freedom, but spares us so many well-deserved heartaches while whispering truth and direction and love in our ear.
FROM:       Joel,     on Jul 10, 2001
Forget about religion. What all of us really hunger for is to know God. To have a relationship with Him and to know His power in our lives. To know we are loved by Him, forgiven by Him, and to know the joy and peace that comes from knowing Him. If religion were the answer then we would have found that out long ago. It is not by doing good, or praying long, or following some moral code-though those things may come. It starts by acknowledging your need for God-your need for love, for fogiveness, for direction, for divine assistance, and it is found when you finally stop trying to do it all on your own but instead take Christ at his word. "Come to Me all you who labor and are heavy laden. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me and I will give you peace". No one satisfies like Jesus. He alone took our sins upon Himself. He alone rose from the dead. He alone claimed over and over again that He is God. He alone said He will return to earth in glory some day. He alone said, "I will never leave you or forsake you" I am the Vine you are the branches, abide in Me and you will bear much fruit." I am the Resurrection and the Life, I am the Bread of Life, I am the Good Shepherd, I am the True Vine, I am Living Water. Once again either Jesus was a madman, or a liar or he was who he said he was. WHich do you really think is true. After thirty years I have found him to be everything he said he is and more. And it is not just true for me. More people died for their faith in Christ in the twentieth century than in all history prior to that. Meaning that tens of thousands of people throughout the world, in Africa, Asia, Latin America, chose to die rather than to deny their faith in Christ. What would compel not just someone to do that but millions over the past 2 millennia to do that. It is the confidence that they have knowing that better is one day in the house of the Lord than a thousand elsewhere. It is the confidence that they have that even if they lose their life they will still have eternal life in God's kingdom. It's your choice, God made us with free-will. We have to choose to believe in Him. He doesn't force us to do it, but the overwhelming evidence is that God exists. And if He exists than contrary to popular belief He didn't just start the whole thing going and then stand aside and watch it as if it were all a cosmic joke or experiment. The bible says that before God even created the heavens and the earth and time etc. He already had his plan in mind which was to bring His children into a relationship with Him through Jesus Christ. He knew we would fall. He knew we would need a savior and he built it all into history. That is why the Old Testament is nothing if not the foretelling of the coming of the Messiah. The teachings of the Law, the Prophets and the Writings all point to the coming of the Messiah who would fullfill all the promises and prophecies of the Scriptures. You can put your trust in whomever you want but who deserves it more than God. The flowers fade, the grass withers but the word of the Lord endures forever. You can be saved, you can have a relationship with your Creator, you can have assurance of your sins being forgiven, you can know that you have eternal life, you can have joy and peace such as no chemical or herb can give you, and it is lasting. You can have real wisdom. Solomon the wisest man who ever lived, (other than Jesus) said "The fear (awe, respect) of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom". Don't miss out of the best in Life. Nothing compares to the real thing.
FROM:       jim,     on Jul 14, 2001
...and what is the real thing ?..........please no answers........
FROM:       A Chela Wannabeeeee,     on Jul 14, 2001
Wishing you a successful chela/seeker meeting tomorrow. I hope you have a good turnout as I see you have poured your heart and soul into this project. I will not be attending, however, I will be with you in spirit, as always. I truly wish I could share and experience YOUR loving father. I know no one, including you, who has absolute freedom, but rather is at the behest of circumstances and other's decisions that dictate the direction of our lives. I would also like to know, whom among us has been spared heartaches, well deserved or otherwise. It seems those that are the kindest and most loving and good are given the greatest heartaches to bear...and some are truly unbearable. Baraka Bashad
FROM:       Joel,     on Jul 15, 2001
Jesus was no stranger to pain and suffering. Chapter 53 of Isaiah refers to him as the suffering servant of God. His crucifixion and seeming betrayal by everyone including for a moment, God the Father was more than anyone could bear. As followers of Christ we are called to take up our crosses and follow Him. Yes we have peace and joy but that does not mean we do not know sorrow and suffering as well. The difference between the believer's pain and suffering and that of other people is that we have the comfort of the nearness of God through His Holy Spirit and we also have the knowledge that our suffering is one of the ways that God accomplishes his purposes in our lives to make us more like Jesus. I am not saying that God causes our pain and suffering but the Apostle Paul was very clear that God uses them for our good. "For we know that God causes everything to work together for good to those who love God and are called according to His purpose. That doesn't mean that everything that happens to everyone is good but that when you have put your trust in God through his son Jesus, he promises to make even the so-called bad things that happen to us work to fulfill his purposes in our lives. You are right Chela wannabe that we all must suffer but the Bible is quick to point out that our Lord and Savior suffered greater than we did and his suffering was not the result of anything he did wrong and in fact he suffered in our place and for us. For those who have put their trust in Christ and are looking to Him for their redemption suffering is a tool in God's hand which he uses to make us more like Christ. Unlike Gautama Buddha who said that we must detach ourselves from the things of this life so that we rise above suffering Jesus says to embrace your suffering and know that your heavenly father will not allow you to have more than you can bear and who will help you bear it if you turn to Him. He also promises that we will one day inherit a life without suffering, tears or sorrow and that life will last for all eternity. Paul said that the suffering we endure in this life is not to be compared with the glory that will be revealed to beleivers when Christ returns. James the brother of Jesus said that we should "consider it all joy when you encounter various trials knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance and endurance will result in character and readiness for all things.
FROM:       Joel,     on Jul 15, 2001
Perhaps I would have been more accurate to say that you can know that Jesus is real and once having discovered that He is really who he said he is, there is no turning back. Though we continue to seek to know him better, we do not have to search any longer for the one who makes it all make sense and gives meaning to everything in life. I am aware that the things I say cut across the grain of the worldview of most if not all of you reading these words. But I am totally convinced that God's Word in the Bible is the truth and that God gave us his word so that we might know and understand the truth. He loves us and proved it by becoming a man and dying on the cross to reconcile us to Himself. He rose from the dead to demonstrate his power over everything, including death and promises us eternal life in Him when we put our faith and trust in Him. What better story is there? Could anything be better than that we can stop striving and simply know that He is God, that He loves us and stands with open arms and wounded hands waiting to embrace us and hold us fast? We've heard the story so many times perhaps we have become jaded to it. but no science fiction book or movie or other religion or philosophy has suggested anything close to the amazing story of a God who created the whole universe and loved his creatures so much that he became on of them so that he could take the blame for all the wrong they had ever done, just to bring them back into a relationship of love with himself. Amazing grace, how sweet the sound.
FROM:       Aman,     on Jul 15, 2001
Jim--You imply that there is no "real thing." Guess that leaves you in Strawberry Fields forever; nothing is real, everything is real--what's the diff? Nowhere, man....
FROM:       Aman,     on Jul 15, 2001
...and why ask a question if you don't want an answer?
FROM:       jim,     on Jul 16, 2001
...wasn't a question.....
FROM:       jim,     on Jul 16, 2001
...the difference is you......
FROM:       Ted,     on Jul 16, 2001
Dear Chela Wannabee,
Baraka Bashad (Hindustani for "Let the Blesings Be). My deepest respect and fervent desire that you very soon taste the reality of your true nature. Your true lover is closer than your very heartbeat. And the freedom I refered to is similarly right at your fingertips. I know this can sound like a bunch of crap, but it is actually the kind of reality that hits you when you are all alone, when you are truly fed up with the pain and heartache of this life, after much sheding of tears, in that quiet quiet space. It is that real.
I think you can appreciate the following poem by Hafiz, a Light and Sound master (When the student is ready, the Master will appear):

My Eyes So Soft
Don’t surrender your loneliness so quickly.
Let it cut more deep.
Let it ferment and season you As few human or even divine ingredients can.
Something missing in my heart tonight Has made my eyes so soft,
My voice so tender,
My need of God absolutely clear.

Thank you for your wishes regarding this past weekend. The events were oh so successful, but not by normal standards. I was filled to capacity with the bliss I was told would happen when willing to serve.


FROM:       Ted,     on Jul 16, 2001
Dear Joel, Stewart,jim...
Someday we will all be on the same page, I am sure.

FROM:       Joel,     on Jul 17, 2001
I hope so Teddy but only if all our names are written on the pages of the Lamb's Book of Life. Somehow the world lulls us into thinking that everything will work out for everyone-but that is so far from what the Bible says is the truth. Way back in the garden Adam and Eve chose to believe the enemy who told them that if they disobeyed God they would not die. But they were wrong. They both died spiritually and immediately they hid themselves from God which is basically what man has been doing ever since. The enemy is still trying to deceive us by convincing us that it doesn't matter what we believe that we will all find bliss eventually. But that is not what God says. He clearly tells us that faith in Him is a matter of life and death. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God (salvation through Jesus) is eternal life. No one and no thing can offer give eternal life except God. I guess it all boils down to what you want. If you want your sins forgiven, a relationship with the living God, the sure hope of eternal life, the peace that comes from knowing God's love first-hand. to be a part of the family of God; if you want to be born again and start a whole new life in Him then all you need to do is call on the name of the Lord and you will be saved. Perhaps that sounds too easy, but it is only easy for us. It wasn't easy for God. He had to suffer and die a horrible death on our behalf to purchase these things for us. But praise God he did not stay dead and he continues to welcome all who will come to Him with open arms.
FROM:       Ted,     on Jul 17, 2001
Remember the phrase, "right on!"?
I remember coining another phrase while at Sunnyridge. "An Inch Off".
That is the definition of sin, you know. "Missing the mark" (Greek).
As long as we use words, the computer, and our minds to try to convey our deep-felt faith, we will be subject to this tendency. I know we share more than we realize.

FROM:       Joel,     on Jul 17, 2001
Teddy-I'm sure we do. God bless.
FROM:       jim,     on Jul 17, 2001
...in my beliefs, there is not a name nor a personification of what some call god.....my journey has been a continuous physical and spiritual growth.....with humor...and now with age........
FROM:       Chela Wannabee,     on Jul 18, 2001
I am so glad that your meeting was a success for you. I prayed for that. Also, thank you for the beautiful poem. I truly do appreciate it. I have read much of Hafiz's work and I particularly love the spiritual romantic period of his poetry. Were you aware that there were three inspirations for his work? His hometown, the woman that he loved...who was incidentally, not his wife...and his master.
FROM:       Ted,     on Jul 18, 2001
I am trudy humbled. I actually have not indulged in Hafiz's poems at all. Thank you for enriching my understanding and apreciation of his life and work.
FROM:       Ganesh,     on Jul 18, 2001
I really like the cool picture of Gary Olsen. He looks like he's squeezing real hard to get every last ounce of consciousness. Wish he had a cool Persian name, though.
FROM:       Manuel Drivers,     on Jul 18, 2001
Please engage brain before operating vehicle.
FROM:       Webmaster,     on Jul 20, 2001
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FROM:       High Beam,     on Jul 20, 2001
---security--deletion--drivel--censorship---was it a free forum for RD-LAP?
FROM:       Always, All Ways,     on Jul 27, 2001
The Lord watched us aimlessly and unhappily navigating the sea of life. It was a year ago on this date that he set our sails for a collision course that would change our lives forever. How could we ignore what he has so cleverly planned?
FROM:       jim,     on Jul 28, 2001
always all ways....who is putting this stuff in your head ?.......you are being manipulated and placing someones sad predictions in the way...if all of us felt like this.....it will be manifested.....humanity's mind stuff is a powerful propeling force......
FROM:       Theodore,     on Jul 28, 2001
I am from you, and at the same time,
you have devoured me.
I melt in you since through you I froze.
You squeeze me with your hand,
and then you step on me with your foot.
This is how the grape becomes wine.
You cast us like sunlight upon the earth.
And our light passing through the body
as if it were an open window to our Source,
returns, purified, to You.
Whoever sees that sun says,
"She is alive,"
and whoever sees the window says,
"She is dying."
He has veiled our origin in that cup of pain
and joy.
Within our core we are pure;
all the rest is dregs.
Source of the soul of souls,
the Truth,
a hundred hearts are afire for you.

Rumi

FROM:       jim,     on Jul 29, 2001
...who is or was rumi ?....i am you are ?
FROM:       Ted,     on Jul 29, 2001
jim...excellent! inquisitive! creative! I love it! I AM YOU ARE. IMUR/RUMI

A website about RUMI

FROM:       Ted,     on Jul 29, 2001
always not ignored but pondered all ways. The cream shall rise to the top.
FROM:       jim,     on Jul 29, 2001
...butt who is theodoor ?...........
FROM:       Ted,     on Jul 31, 2001
A quote:
"In the temple of my existence it is the day of my true communion. The heavy gray wool coat falls away from me and with it the weight of gender and all other worldly identifications. It seems that snow begins to fall gently around me, yet at closer look it is not snow at all, rather a million tiny white gold stars which fall at my feet and illuminate the aisle leading to the marriage altar. There the groom awaits me in the form of the Inner Master. In the reflection of this sacred being, I am revealed for the first time as a body of light, so radiant and bright that the sun looks pale in comparison. The Master takes my hands. As I gratefully lose myself in those eyes, there comes the whisper of the sacred promise: “I love you. I am you.” And in return I repeat these words back, as our light bodies swirl into molecules and atoms and bursts of lightening and stars that all merge together into one tremendous vibrational hum, which then consumes us into a single flame. And now there is soft, formless floating and the distant beating of a universal heart. No man. No woman. No form. Only God’s love singing the wedding song: I am Thee. I Am." (source confidential)

FROM:       Oswald Chambers,     on Jul 31, 2001
Have I any confidence in the flesh? Or have I got beyond all confidence in myself and in men and women of God, in books and prayers and ecstasies; and is my confidence placed now in God Himself, not in His blessings? "I am the Almighty God"--El Shaddai, the Father-Mother God. The one thing for which we are all being disciplined is to know that God is real. As soon as God becomes real, other people become shadows. Nothing that other saints do or say can ever perturb the one who is built on God.
FROM:       jim,     on Aug 2, 2001
........what happened ? such purity...so zen....so w.....
FROM:       jim,     on Aug 10, 2001
.....nice animation.....is it a heart within a rambow ?
FROM:       jim ,     on Aug 10, 2001
.......amazing the heart and the rainbow just enlarged tenfold.....
FROM:       I AM YOU ARE,     on Aug 26, 2001
The
Closer
I get to you, Beloved,
The more I can see
It is just You and I all alone
In this
World.

I hear
A knock at my door,
Who else could it be,
So I rush without brushing
My hair.

For too
Many nights
I have begged for your
Return.
And what
Is the use of vanity
At this late hour, at this divine season,
That has now come to my folded
Knees?

If your love letters are true dear God
I will surrender myself to
Who You keep saying
I
Am.
Hafiz

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FROM:       I AM, YOU AREN'T,     on Aug 30, 2001
Depending upon how the translater chooses to punctuate this beautiful poem, changes the feeling of whether Hafiz wrote it for his lover or for his God...or perhaps both! One thing is for sure, he never relinquished his life as a man for God. He embrased both and revelled in the worldly pleasures of life that God gave him to enjoy.
FROM:       jim,     on Aug 31, 2001
..dat's nice.....
FROM:       Samo,     on Aug 31, 2001
Funny--settling again for second best--or much less. Jesus also never relinquished His life as a man for God. Then again--He DID relinquish His life--but He was given it back. He certainly never revelled in worldly pleasures--though I'm sure HE fully loved life, being the source of it. As a result, He has freed a host of captives--something Rumi has never done. His name, above all names, is universally known. Rumi's poems have impacted a few. Care/dare to compare? Settle? When you gonna wake up?
FROM:       jim,     on Aug 31, 2001
.....belief is symbolism helping to create a window for awareness........
FROM:       Samo,     on Sep 2, 2001
Is that a put-on?
FROM:       Jill,     on Sep 2, 2001
Are you a put on..?
FROM:       Puton,     on Sep 2, 2001
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof
FROM:       Samo,     on Sep 2, 2001
That's more like it.....
FROM:       Lily,     on Sep 3, 2001
....I love scrabble....
FROM:       me,     on Sep 22, 2001
scrabble does rock..
FROM:       Webmeister,     on Sep 22, 2001
This was sent to my by email and is truly creepy:

1. Open up a blank Word document.

2. Type in Q33 NY in capitals (this is the flight number of the 1st plane to hit the WTC)

3. Highlight it.

4. Change the font size to 48.

5. Change the actual font to wingdings. (if you have more than one wingdings font, i.e.1,2,3, try them all)

6. Be spooked and be stunned!


FROM:       Samo,     on Sep 22, 2001
There was no Flight 33 involved.....Some people are clearly unsure about how to spend their time profitably.....
FROM:       Webmeister,     on Sep 22, 2001
Some people are clearly too lazy to research material.

9:03 a.m.: A second hijacked airliner, United Airlines Flight 175 from Boston, crashes into the south tower of the World Trade Center and explodes. Both buildings are burning.


FROM:       Webmeister,     on Sep 22, 2001
God, I even failed in my research...flight one is the number in question....Ah...forgetaboutit
FROM:       Same ol',     on Sep 23, 2001
Flight 11 out of Boston was the first to hit the WTC....but the word games and number games circulating are hardly the focus we really need. Pray for the wisdom to discern truth from lies, good from evil.
FROM:       Trudy,     on Sep 23, 2001
Another interesting tidbit...attacks were 18 minutes apart. The number 18 is Chai(spelling?) the Hebrew number for 18 and means "to life" Think there is a message there?
FROM:       Webmesser,     on Sep 23, 2001
what about astrologics and astrocosmics....they represent the latest in nu age trends, a bit cloudy but nevertheless the truth.....
FROM:       Samo,     on Sep 26, 2001
Trudy--The crashes were at 8:48, 9:03, 9:43, and 10:10.....There's plenty of meaning on the surface, without digging for the "mystical." The date was 911. Any meaning there? No time for party games....
FROM:       da floss,     on Oct 3, 2001
peace man
FROM:       Trudy,     on Oct 7, 2001
Samo, you are quite right. There is plenty of meaning on the surface, however, the New York media, as usual, also was digging for every possible analogy. Accordiing to all New York papers, the attacks were 8:45 and 9:03 and yes, there was plenty said about 911 also.
FROM:       Say Mo',     on Oct 7, 2001
The media comes up with all kinds of trivia, because they have lots of time to fill while they wait for more news to break. Some Internet addicts come up with some because they have nothing better to do--or because they ARE Internet addicts. But we don't need to choose to focus on the trivial. Please pray for our leaders, that they choose their targets wisely. Please pray for all of us, that we find the wisdom to temper justice with mercy.
FROM:       Same-o,     on Nov 8, 2001
The ideal meets the real.....Sunnyridge and the hippy movement were sincere attempts to plant the ideal. But they were founded on a false premise--that people are really good at heart. While the hippies were freaking freely, Charlie Manson was also doing his thing. Sunnyridge wanted to help create a new world, but it created a pleasant and sometimes informative sub-world, one which by and large ignored the world outside. The hippy world held up an ideal for all to see, but provided no power to live up to that ideal...Pacifism is the noblest of ideals, but all through history it has been overwhelmed by death and destruction as a means of gaining power. And given the right circumstances, we are all potentially murderers--as is evidenced by current events. To be disillusioned, you must have illusions to begin with.....It must be hard to hang on to a philosophy when all of life seems to keep proving it to be untrue.
FROM:       jim,     on Nov 9, 2001
from the top of the head.....i wade blindly...this mad world...do this, do that, do the whole dance forward backwards and sideways....pour out the feelings....and not understand any of the whys of it....but there is reality in a sunlit prairie a flower a bomb a madman a crying child, the stars a song, all things....the mind is a dreaming machine...sunny ridge gave me some peace and hope.......this is as usual a lousy attempt to express my thoughts in writing...anyways.....love and peace........
FROM:       Teddy,     on Nov 9, 2001
It IS difficult to hold on to a philosophy, any philosophy, probably because all tangible things in this world are dualistic and cyclical in occurance so therefore challenging to their own veracity. We have to release our hold on philosophies and religions and political attitudes and reality as we know it. However, the basic premise that people are good at heart possibly transcends duality. Blending all things together, peace-niks and Mansonites, good and bad, man and woman even, hopefully we sense the essence of existence as goodness and maybe even "peace and love".
FROM:       Teddy,     on Nov 9, 2001
Who are you and who be me anyway?
FROM:       Samo,     on Nov 9, 2001
Well, THERE'S a paradox. There is no such thing as releasing one's hold on philosophies or religions or such. We all subscribe to SOME belief system--even if we claim it's having no belief system. Even what you described is a philosophy.....You are right, though, that the essence IS peace and love--and non-dual. But we are corrupted and dual. It's only by attaching ourselves to that essence that we find any peace. And it's not that wimpy "world peace" that people talk about and never find; it's an unshakeable and permanent peace in one's heart. It enters in when we ally ourselves to that essence you spoke of, and ally ourselves permanently. If you manage to die to your self (small "s"), you can give up your defensiveness, opinions, self-importance, and struggles with your self, and become alive to that essence--there is peace and love.
FROM:       jim,     on Nov 10, 2001
...samo, just do it.........
FROM:       Teddy,     on Nov 10, 2001
Man, it's so hard to capture our true identity, Samo. If you "attach" yourself to what is real, you are identifying with the false self. If you "die to your small self" you are still viewing from a distorted sense of self. It is not easy to know yourself. We are the point of view we accept. I prefer to see the individual as perfect but distracted by illusion rather than basically corrupt and feigning surrender to a higher power.
FROM:       jim,     on Nov 10, 2001
...samo...you have no identity...you're nothing but a bodyless typing word machine...nothing personal.
FROM:       Bodyless Typing Word Machine,     on Nov 10, 2001
Yes, Teddy, you describe the two basic belief systems (perhaps being acted out on the world stage right now). And yes, it IS truly hard to know one's self--but certainly worth the effort....We are indeed the point of view we accept--so perhaps the goal is to find the true point of view....When you use the word "feigning," you imply that an individual can't genuinely surrender to a higher power. Do you believe that?
FROM:       Ted,     on Nov 10, 2001
You are the higher power
FROM:       Samo,     on Nov 11, 2001
So surrendering to yourself as higher power is not "feigning"?
FROM:       Teddy,     on Nov 11, 2001
This sucks. You and I are playing the role of know-it-all scholars when in actuality we know nothing. We have robbed all from the culture we materialized into and believe it to be our own and simultaneously robbed what true perception and understanding we have from the higher power in our very being. We are butterflies feasting on the nectar of consciousness yet moths trying to mimic truth while living in darkness and looking like fools. Nothing is hid except to be revealed. The bloated ego suffers a painful death. This is all crap.
FROM:       Samo,     on Nov 11, 2001
For me, philosophy is a pure science, an exchange of ideas, perhaps without emotion entering in....What you express is beautiful and heartfelt....What I have been trying to express is not so much what we know or pretend to know, but what we believe. If our belief system is flawed, we need to see it. That goes for me, you, and everyone.
FROM:       GANGA,     on Nov 11, 2001
OM NAMAH SHIVAYA! WHY ARE ALL OF YOU TALKING ABOUT SUCH UNRELATED EXPERIENCES? ARE ANY OF YOU LIVING WHAT YOU SPEAK? BE KIND AND LOVE EACH OTHER, THIS EARTH AND EACH OTHER IS ALL WE HAVE! BLESSED BE!!
FROM:       Say Mo',     on Nov 12, 2001
For whatever reason, yesterday’s entry only half-printed (I thought it didn’t print at all)…Nihilism: the belief that we can’t know or communicate anything…..I wonder why a discussion of ideas and beliefs should arouse feelings of frustration, anger, hostility, etc. These are just IDEAS…..There is nothing we’re discussing that countless humans haven’t dealt with before, throughout history. We have their experiences to look at, if we care to…..The sincere seeker of truth can welcome ideas that challenge their beliefs, so that those beliefs can be examined to see if they are well-grounded…..The butterfly/moth image is about darkness and light. The real war is between the forces of darkness and light; the battleground is the human heart, mind, and soul. The battle has remained the same since the beginning; only the scenery changes from century to century…..What WAS the philosophy of Sunnyridge? Was it anarchy? An “If it feels good, do it” mentality? One of situational ethics, where concepts of right and wrong changed from moment to moment? It is good to take a hard look at all that, to see if what was believed was true, and if those beliefs have matured.
FROM:       The Same,     on Nov 12, 2001
For me--and for Shiva, too, I think--nothing is unrelated.
FROM:       Teddy,     on Nov 12, 2001
you win
FROM:       S,     on Nov 12, 2001
It's by no means about winning--it's about consciousness.....I don't write because I'm lonely, or bored, or want to be right. I write because if someone expresses pain or confusion, and I can relate to what they might be going through, my impulse is to try to help....I'm not proud of anything about my life; everything I have has been given to me.
FROM:       BWTM,     on Nov 12, 2001
...and I WISH I was bodyless. If you could see my body, you'd understand.
FROM:       jim,     on Nov 13, 2001
...wow!! that is heavy........i write on this page, because of everything, you name it, mainly because of the time spent at sunnyridge.....i do not need to reform, change anybody, or need to be for ever.....i am, that is the best i can do......the only way i can be.....peace
FROM:       Same,     on Nov 13, 2001
That's fine. But clearly there are some who feel they DO need to change or reform people. And no doubt there are some who might welcome change or reform. I know you don't want everyone to be just as you are. Why not give them the freedom to try? There's no good reason for us to try to control what's expressed here. It's the variety that's interesting. If we really want to be loving, as we say we do, maybe we need to let people express themselves however they need to, take what we want, and leave the rest alone.


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